A Fine Example of 'Chyck Logic'

Guys,

I posted a copy of this discussion over @ my orginal blog back on 22 June 2008.  I thought it would provide an illuminating example of how women think-a necessity for any MGHOW.

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Author: al anon
Time: June 22, 2008 - 10:32 am

Women in their late 20s/early 30s have to learn to be "nice" and develop great personalities because the aloof/angry-at-the world/depressive mentality many have - and many have used successfully in the past doesn't work as well with the guys who are "left" so to speak.

Being nice goes a lot further than I think women understand. They see being bitchy and elusive when you are young and nubile and then try to replicate it when the dating pool has already weeded out the guys who fall for that shit (plus as women age they lose a lot of their sexual capital and guys just won't put up with it anymore.)

Naw, they don't need to learn THAT, Man! Why if women are nice to their men, or even entertain the mere THOUGHT of doing so, why they're letting down the Sisterhood! That would be weak; that would be giving in to her 'oppressor', for crying out loud! They can't be NICE to no stinkin' man now; why, he might take advantage of her...

That, and these chicks, when they were young, hot, desirable, and carrying less baggage than a luggage factory were 'in demand'; they were wanted, big time, so they were drunk with their power. They didn't have to be nice, since there were 100 guys lining up to replace the one she just blew off. They got USED to having men come down the tracks like rush hour trains, and they figured that this would continue forever. Silly girls...

Al anon is also right that, once men reach a certain point, then they're no longer willing to PUT UP with a woman's crap. Once men reach a certain point, they are no longer slaves to their hormones, so they're no longer willing to anything or put up with anything just to get some nookie. I find that the older I get, the less willing I am to put up with a woman's crap. Shoot, if I even THINK a woman will play head games, I'm G-O-N-E...

So yeah. Here's a rough approximation of a random panicked phone call I got from a close female friend last week to give you a peek into the mindset of late 20s female...


her -I've been crying all night, so and so is getting married. This is horrible. My life is OVER, I have nothing now.

me -Thats great, he's such a good dude. Who is he marrying?

her - some pasty-white 25-year old blond grad student bimbo bitch with bad ears.

me - Wait...Why aren't you happy for him? He was like your best friend in law school.

her - Because I loved him and now I can't have him. Everyone is getting married and no one wants to marry me.

Yeah, Darlin', your best friend is marrying someone else! Whose FAULT is that?!

me - Love him? You guys live five minutes from each other and never hang out. And aren't you dating some other dude?

her - I don't really want to talk about that.

Al anon, my friend, the LAST thing this stupid bitch wanted was to be confused with the facts! She didn't want to talk about HER role in losing a good man now. Why, that would mean she'd have to accept RESPONSIBILITY for herself and her actions! AW can't have that now...

me - I don't know, maybe he assumed since you are dating other people that you weren't interested in him.

Dude, you just HAD to point out the obvious, didn't you? Leave it to a MAN to look at things logically, and to remind this little dearie of the facts...

her - You are a boy, you don't understand. I should have never called you. You don't get it, I can't just be available and hang around him, he'll never like me then. I don't want to look too forward you know. I don't want to be rejected.

Darlin', you didn't waste ANY time dispensing the insults or shaming language, did you?! And I just LOVE the bullshit answer you give to his obvious, yet pointed question...

me - Too forward? Didn't you claim he only moved down here to be closer to you?

her - I don't know, maybe...he was going for his MBA.

Trying to deny past, narcissistic statements, my dear?

me - And moved five minutes away from you. When was the last time you saw him?

her - I don't know, December maybe. We hung out more in the fall. I'm busy, he's busy.

Ah, excuses, excuses. You know what they say: excuses are like anuses; everyone has one, and they ALL stink...

me - Why didn't something happen between you two?

her - He tried, two or three times invited me back to his place and such but I never went. I thought he'd think I was being a slut.

Ah, now we have a GLIMMER of truth trying to break through the clouds of your lies & deception, my dear! Now the truth is starting to come out...

me - We all just assumed you two were sleeping together in law school. You two were always together. He doesn't think you are a slut, he thinks you are the world's biggest prude and tease and after getting shot down he found someone else.

Ding, ding, ding, ding! We have a winner! Of COURSE your buddy thought this chick was a prude and tease; she led him to think she was interested, then blew off your friend when he ACTED on the false signals this bitch sent out. Of COURSE he found someone else; he wanted a gal who wanted HIM-duh!

her - He stopped calling me too, the phone works both ways.

Oh, I just LOVE how you try deflecting responisibilty, Darlin'; I just love how you try saying, "It's not all my fault-waaahhhh!" How freakin' TYPICAL...

me - You shot him down sexually, you think he's gonna be hanging around?

Dude, you're being a patriarchal oppressor; you're being LOGICAL, for goodness sake!

her - We used to talk ALL the time. ALL the time. He was my SOUL MATE.

Too bad you didn't TREAT him like your soul mate, my dear...

me - He wanted to have sex with you, when you took that off the table he took that talk to someone or somewhere it could actually lead to something.

Dude, you keep pointing out the obvious! When are you going to learn that chicks do NOT want to be confused with logic, the facts, or the truth-ESPECIALLY if it makes them look bad?!

her - But we were like EPIC friends, I've never known anyone, ANYONE in the world who understood me like he did. Or at least tried to understand me like he did.

me - Maybe thats it, maybe he did finally understand you and knew he had to move on. I've been there...

Yeah, your buddy, Mr. NG understood that this stupid bitch didn't want him, so he went and found someone who DID-what a concept! Imagine that, a man finding a woman who actually WANTS him...

her - shut up. You are such an idiot. I suppose I could have called him back more. But I'm busy. And I have canceled plans with him three or four times in the past month or so.

me - So you never called him, canceled plans with him regularly, and shot down his sexual advances, I'm happy for him. He's too nice to date you. He should have moved on long ago.

So, this stupid, clueless bitch blew off Mr. NG REPEATEDLY, shot down his advances, etc., and yet she STILL expects him to be pining away for her?! COME ON!!

her - I hate you.

me - Yeah I know whatever, you have NO REASON to be upset. Really no reason.

her - He LIKED Me! Not some other bitch.

Yeah, but your ACTIONS told him that his love for you was UNWANTED; you told him, via your actions that you were not INTERESTED-duh!

me - Guys aren't that complicated. You are secretly dating someone else, never call him, cancel plans, haven't hung out with him in 6 months and yet you are shocked and crying on the phone with me about your best friend getting married. I can't help you with that. It doesn't compute.

What can I POSSIBLY add to that?! Al anon, you NAILED it, brother! Are you sure you haven't been hanging around MRA/MGTOW sites & blogs?

(sorry for the length but after perusing this thread I just had to share.)

Thanks for sharing with us, al anon...

MarkyMark

Men Foolish Enough to Marry in the USA Deserve What They Get

Guys,

I made this post on my original blog, MarkyMarks Thoughts on Various Issues, back in August of 2007.  I thought it would be good material for the MGTOW Survival Guide, so here it is...

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On the Mancoat forum, we recently had a poll as to whether or not men deserve their fate should they marry in the USA, or anywhere else in the Anglosphere. My answer was yes, and I shall give my reasons in the following paragraphs.

I voted option #2, leaning more to a 'yes' than a 'no'. Why? Because, despite all the brainwashing and stuff, the evidence is out there; though it may not be easy to see, it is out there. While one may be a victim of brainwashing, one doesn't have to REMAIN a victim of brainwashing-duh! There is the option of checking things out for yourself, rather than accepting things at face value. So, what evidence is there that marriage is a shit deal for men? What evidence is there to the contrary would be a better question to ask!

Exhibit A is the new Verizon radio commercial; I am so SICK & TIRED of it already! The commercial opens up with some black skank upbraiding her husband for buying some electronic device. Hubby tries to placate her, saying, 'baby', and she says, "Don't you baby me!" You then hear a noise which sounds like a slamming door (evidently him being refused entry into HIS house!), while he says, "It's VIOS!" Right there, in that commercial, you have the archetype for modern marriage. How many other commercials show the wife busting her husband's balls, hmmm? If we had a dollar for every one of them, we could all retire to Mexico, and bang hot Latina babes in between surf sessions-yes! Sorry, I digress...

Exhibit B are the married men EVERY single guy knows. He sees their beaten down, tired look; he hears their tales of woe; he knows what life they live. He's seen & heard enough married men in his life time to know what's going on. Ergo, he knows what he's signing up for if he gets married.

Exhibit C would be any women the man works with. You want to know what REALLY turned me off to women? Do you know what really cooled my desire and ardor for them? It was having the opportunity to observe them up close & personal while they weren't trying to impress me or attract me; I saw them when they were NOT using their charms. It reminded me of those who study animals in the wild while being amongst them, a la 'Wild Kingdom'. Of course, I'm referring to the old 'Wild Kingdom' with Marlin Perkins-now I'm betraying my age! Anyway, I'd hear my female colleagues mistreat their men on the phone, stuff like that. I'd also hear the women regale each other with how they mistreated the men in their lives, playing a game of 'oneupswomanship'. I found it disgusting and revolting...

Exhibit D would be popular talk show hosts, and how they talk of putting their balls in their wives' purses. I used to listen to "Mike & Mike in the Morning" on ESPN radio; I no longer do, because I don't have the time anymore, because I'm getting ready for work; I have to shave, the cat needs to be fed, as does her owner, etc. Anyway, I used to enjoy listening to them, and Mike Greenberg said, "Every married man knows that you cut off your balls, and put them in your wife's purse." That's a direct quote! I've heard other male hosts say stuff like this.

Sorry, but I don't work that way; I don't think any real man does. Where do I stand on this? Tony Montana (Al Pacino's character in 'Scarface') said it best: "In this world, all I have is my balls and my word, and I don't break 'em for no one."

Exhibit E would be for those men who are either into classic cars, motorcycles, boats, etc. When I had my first car, a classic Chevy, I had guys come up to me ALL THE TIME telling me about the classic car they'd once owned, but had sold to make Wifey happy. I've experienced the same thing on my W650. That bike, though it's a Y2K model, is a DEAD RINGER for the old T-120 Bonnevilles of the late 1960s; from the braced chrome fenders, wire wheels, rubber fork gaiters, tank knee pads, and peashooter mufflers, folks mistake it for a classic Bonnie all the time, because it has all the same styling cues. This gets guys to come up to you, such as the one who did last summer, that pathetic married wretch who said his riding days were over.

I remember that day well. I was out & about on my W650, enjoying a beautiful summer day! I was exploring parts of South Jersey when I decided to check out Mystic Island, a place I had never been to. There I was, taking a breather while enjoying a view of southern Barnegat Bay. While I'm enjoying my view, this Honda Odyssey minivan pulled up; the man, his wife, a female relative/friend of hers, and some kids spill out of it. The wife, female companion, and kids walk on the little beach, while the man came up to me wanting to talk to me about my bike .He told me about the old bike he used to have, and he asked about mine. I was only too happy to talk to him about my bike, of course. He seemed to want my bike or one like it.

I proceeded to tell this guy that, while the W650 was no longer available, he could get a bike like it. I told him about the new Triumph, and how they've come back, and how they're building great bikes now. One of them is the new Bonneville, an 800cc (now all new Bonnies are 865cc) parallel twin that looked like my W650, but was more powerful, practical, and still available. I then said that it could be had for about $8k, new-a great deal on a new bike. He said-and I'll never, ever forget this-"Oh no, my riding days are over." What?! My riding days won't be over until I SAY they're over! I knew exactly what he was saying, though; he was saying that, having been thoroughly emasculated by Wifey, he could no longer ride, or do anything else that HE wanted and/or enjoyed.

I then proceeded to say (loudly so that Wifey could easily hear me) that I didn't have a wife, so I could & would enjoy my motorcycles whenever I damn well felt like it, or something like to that effect. Hubby shuffled away in that pathetic way that only married men can, our conversation over. Wifey, her companion, and the children proceeded to walk away from me down the beach, and they had this PISSED OFF air as they did-yes! That was exactly what I wanted; I wanted that bitch to know that here is one man who refuses to be a tool in the Matriarchy. I'm sure that Hubby got his ass chewed though; after all, Wifey doesn't want him getting any silly ideas-ideas such as he is a person; he has rights; his thoughts, desires, dreams, etc. matter; and that he, too, can and should do stuff that HE likes and enjoys, not just her. Between owning a classic car in my youth and having a classically styled bike now, I've had PLENTY of reminders of what married men give up. I and an increasing number of my brothers are saying, "Uh, no thanks..."

Exhibit F would be the divorced guys every man in America knows. Every man in this country knows a man who got SCREWED in divorce court-every man! I know a couple myself. There used to be one who lived across the street from me. I'll call him Darrell. Anyway, his wife didn't want to fix their marriage, so she bailed. Unfortunately, he had a kid, so he has child support to pay. Darrell lived in a room above a bar. He worked multiple jobs. His teeth were rotting, because he couldn't afford to get the dental work done. He drove a junker of a car-when he was finally able to get one, that is. Though he's not perfect (no human is, or ever has been, with the exception of Jesus Christ), Darrell seemed to be a good, decent, upbeat guy who had a nice word for everyone in town. Almost every man in a America knows Darrell, or someone like him, so he can see for himself that he can be screwed over through no fault of his own...

Exhibit G would consist of all the famous guys who are undergoing divorce. I'm talking about Paul McCartney, Michael Jordan, Matt LeBlanc, Michael Strahan, and Alec Baldwin to name just a few. Their divorces and fallout thereof have been made QUITE public! If Paul McCartney and Michael Jordan can get cleaned out, then NO MAN IS SAFE. Since I'm from NJ, I've heard PLENTY about Michael Strahan, star defensive end for the NY Giants. He was ordered hand over more than HALF of his $15 Million in assets-ouch! Strahan also has an obscene amount of child support to pay out every month; thanks to the Bradley Amendment, his payments CANNOT be reduced at any time, nor can they be reduced for any reason. This is in spite of the fact that his playing days will soon be over...

In closing, the evidence is out there. I don't care how much biology gets in the way; I don't care how much damage brainwashing does, either. If a man will simply OPEN HIS EYES, he can easily see what's happening. God gave us eyes, ears, and a brain for a reason; it's up to each man to use HIS, and avoid marriage in America-end of story. The evidence is there; if you still get married, then you deserve whatever happens to you-end of story.

MarkyMark

An Old Guide for Men Managing Female Employees

Guys,

Last year, Chrisvet on Mancoat found this blast from the past-1943 to be exact.  I thought that this would be helpful to any MGHOW who has to either work with women, or supervise them.  Therefore, it's going to be part of the MGTOW Survival Guide.

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eleven tips on getting more efficiency out of women employees
by L.H. Sanders | March 7, 2005

From the July 1943 edition of Mass Transportation magazine, written for male supervisors of women in the work force during World War Two.

There’s no longer any question whether transit companies should hire women for jobs formerly held by men. The draft and manpower shortage has settled that point. The important things now are to select the most efficient women available and how to use them to the best advantage. Here are eleven helpful tips on the subject from western properties:

1. If you can get them, pick young married women. They have these advantages, according to the reports of western companies: they usually have more of a sense of responsibility than do their unmarried sisters; they’re less likely to be flirtatious; as a rule, they need the work or they wouldn’t be doing it – maybe a sick husband or one who’s in the army; they still have the pep and interest to work hard and to deal with the public efficiently.

2. When you have to use older women, try to get ones who have worked outside the home at some time in their lives. Most transportation companies have found that older women who have never contacted the public, have a hard time adapting themselves, are inclined to be cantankerous and fussy. It’s always well to impress upon older women the importance of friendliness and courtesy.

3. While there are exceptions, of course, to this rule, general experience indicates that “husky” girls – those who are just a little on the heavy side – are likely to be more even-tempered and efficient than their underweight sisters.

4. Retain a physician to give each woman you hire a special physical examination – one covering female conditions. This step not only protects the property against the possibilities of lawsuit but also reveals whether the employee-to-be has any female weaknesses which would make her mentally or physically unfit for the job. Transit companies that follow this practice report a surprising number of women turned down for nervous disorders.

5. In breaking in women who haven’t previously done outside work, stress at the outset the importance of time – the fact that a minute or two lost here and there makes serious inroads on schedules. Until this point is gotten across, service is likely to be slowed up.

6. Give the female employe in garage or office a definite day-long schedule of duties so that she’ll keep busy without bothering the management for instructions every few minutes. Numerous properties say that women make excellent workers when they have their jobs cut out for them but that they lack initiative in finding work themselves.

7. Whenever possible, let the inside employe change from one job to another at some time during the day. Women are inclined to be nervous and they're happier with change.

8. Give every girl an adequate number of rest periods during the day. Companies that are already using large numbers of women stress the fact that you have to make some allowances for feminine psychology. A girl has more confidence and consequently is more efficient if she can keep her hair tidied, apply fresh lipstick and wash her hands several times a day.

9. Be tactful in issuing instructions or in making criticisms. Women are often sensitive; they can’t shrug off harsh words the way that men do. Never ridicule a woman – it breaks her spirit and cuts her efficiency.

10. Be reasonably considerate about using strong language around women. Even though a girl’s husband or father may swear vociferously, she’ll grow to dislike a place of business where she hears too much of this.

11. Get enough size variety in operator uniforms that each girl can have a proper fit. This point can’t be stressed too strongly as a means of keeping women happy, according to western properties.

This feature was first published on section15.ca’s predecessor site CoolWomen.

Modern Woman Encapsulated

Guys,

This video encapsulates everything we hate about the modern woman. You'll see what I mean when you view this. It's a solid reminder to always be a MGHOW...

Is She a Crazy Bitch?

Guys,

Nippon started a thread about this on Mancoat. He posted this quiz designed to help guys figure out if they're with a crazy bitch. This is GOOD stuff! You can visit Dr. Palmatier's blog here.

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This isn’t a rhetorical question. If you’ve asked yourself more than once, “Is my girlfriend/wife/fiancee a crazy bitch?” as a clinical psychologist, I’m here to tell you the answer is, “Yes. Diagnostically speaking, she may very well be a crazy bitch.“

A crazy bitch insidiously makes you feel like the unstable, angry person. You soon doubt your interpretation of events and experiences. In psychological circles, this type of woman is said to suffer from Borderline Personality Disorder (BPD) or Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD) or a combination of the two. Actually, the ones who really suffer are the people who come into contact with the Borderline or Narcissist.

Here’s a quiz to find out if you’re involved with one of these women:

• Does she fly into rages without warning over relatively trivial matters like a web page loading too slowly?
• Are you always the scapegoat/bad guy whenever she’s frustrated, disappointed or just plain bored?
• Do her friends (that is, if she has any) describe her as a “drama queen?”
• Does she describe herself as a drama queen? If so, congrats. You found one with a modicum of self-awareness.
• Is her lipstick a little too red? Is it applied like theater makeup and a tad crooked?
• Did sex begin with an earth shattering bang and fizzle into infrequent, transactional and conditional sex?
• Is she a black-and-white, all-or-nothing thinker?
• Do you lie to your family, friends and colleagues about what goes on at home?
• Do you find yourself making excuses to your family, friends and colleagues for her inexcusable behavior?
• Do you find yourself walking on eggshells around her?
• Does she hate your friends and family and become angry or tearful when you spend time with them?
• Is she pathologically jealous?
• Does she project her feelings onto you? For example, she’s yelling and raging and then accuses you of being angry. WTF?
• Does focus solely on her emotional experience while exhibiting little or no empathy for yours?
• Have you distanced yourself from friends and family because of your relationship?
• Does she place you on a pedestal one day only to tear you down the next day? “I’ve never known anyone like you before. You’re so wonderful!” Next day: “You’re the devil! You’re the most selfish bastard I’ve ever met! You don’t love me!”
• Did she change her identity after she landed you? For example, when you first met her she was a sexy, adventurous, sweet ballbuster; now, she’s afraid of her own shadow, has no outside interests and goes ballistic if she has to do anything without you.
• Does she put you into “no win” situations in which nothing you do is good enough and you’re guaranteed to fail?
• Does she exhibit stalker behaviors? This usually occurs during the courtship phase or when she senses you’re about to make a break for it. For instance: Calling and hanging up? Calling over and over and over until you answer the phone? Does she wait outside your home, uninvited, until you arrive? Does she show up at places she know you’ll be, also uninvited? Has she tried to get close to your friends in inappropriate ways?

If you answered “yes” to more than two of these questions, you may be involved with a Borderline or a Narcissist. You’re not alone. They’re everywhere.

Most of the men who ended up in my therapy office were there because they were experiencing stress, depression or anxiety as a result from being in an emotionally abusive relationship with a Borderline or a Narcissist. Ironically, most of the time they were shamed and pathologized into seeking counseling by these women. Never mind that most of the symptoms my male patients experienced were a direct result of being in a relationship with a BPD or NPD.

If you think you may be involved with a Borderline or a Narcissist, good luck. They’re typically treatment resistant and they never really get any better. If you choose to stay in relationship with these women, I strongly recommend you educate yourself about the disorders and learn some basic behavioral management skills.

By: Dr Tara J. Palmatier, PsyD

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Seems that Dr. Palmatier just listed TYPICAL female behaviors! Actually, they're sick, twisted behaviors; unfortunately, they're becoming normal, because women think that they can get away with them. I'm going to put in a link to Dr. Palmatier's blog. Like Dr. Helen, this is one woman who GETS it, big time...

MarkyMark

Analyzing A Moment of Clarity

Guys,

Back on 27 March 09, I ran this post, "A Moment of Clarity", at my original blog, MarkyMark's Thoughts. These are truths that belong in the MGTOW Survival Guide too. It features the video you're about to see. Why are you running it again? This time, I want to ANALYZE what that commercial means to us men; there are a lot of truths in that commercial, and I'd like to share them with you. Enjoy...

So, what does this commercial teach us? What hidden truths does it contain? I'm glad you asked, because I'm about to tell you...

One, it shows women before you marry them. It shows how their beauty and hot body are but a brief illusion; it shows how women are but illusions themselves. Notice how beautiful she is? Notice the bountiful breasts and the wondrously displayed cleavage thereof? You notice how enticing she looked when she flashed that beautiful smile of hers, while cocking her head in that coquettish way? As Christopher in Oregon has said and bears repeating, women's beauty and charms are an illusion; they are a dirty trick played by Mother Nature to get us to do something PROFOUNDLY against our best interests: breed with a woman and marry her. That's ALL it is, guys.

The second part of the commercial that I'd like to analyze is when the guy comes to his senses after he drinks his water; he has a spooky, yet accurate vision of the future that awaits him should he save the damsel in distress, and be taken in by her charms. He sees what marrying the damsel would entail, and it rightfully freaks him out.

Firstly, married life will SUCK! Secondly, the lovely, little lady isn't so lovely anymore after she's dropped a couple of womb turds. Thirdly, we get a glimpse of his mother in law and what HIS WIFE will look like when older. Finally, your life will NOT be your own, Fellas-not if you get married. Let's examine all but the first point one by one, shall we? After all, the fact that married life sucks goes without saying, amen?

The lovely, little lady who's got you weak at the knees won't always be so lovely; she won't always be so hot, Fellas. Look at when the commercial goes inside the mobile home. We see our former damsel in distress in a yucky, green gown. We see that she's pregnant with yet ANOTHER womb turd in addition to the three or four that the couple already has! Her hair is sloppily put up; it's not hanging down and framing her formerly lovely face. The little lady has clearly lost her youthful glow.

We then see our hero's mother in law come out of the bathroom as the toilet flushes-what lovely imagery! Anyway, the MIL is very instructive. Why? Because that's what our former damsel in distress will look like in thirty years time. It's been said that, if you want to know how your woman will age, just look at her mother; how true it is. What do we see when looking at the MIL? We see a fat, wrinkled up, old hag! We see someone who's face has wrinkled. We see someone whose hair is flat in color; there's no luster there like the damsel in distress had while hanging from the tree branch. Finally, those big, luscious breasts that the damsel in distress had will be sagging to the floor when she gets older-yuck!

Last, but definitely not least, this commercial teaches us men that we CAN override our instincts! We can override our desire for woman. We can override our desire to save and protect them; we can override our chivalrous instincts. We can override our sex drive, which is what gets us entangled with women in the first place. This commercial teaches us that, rather than think with the little head, we can think with the big head. If we think with the big head, we'll see that women and relationships therewith are not worth the heartache and trouble that they bring into our lives; we'll see that we're better off living as we please-on OUR terms, thank you very much.

Finally, we see that, should we be dumb enough to get married, that our lives will not be our own; whatever freedom we had before will be gone. Look at our hero. Before marriage, he was happy, single, and carefree, riding about the plains on his horse withersoever he went. After marriage, he's stuck with the woman and the womb turds; he is a caged, emasculated shadow of his former self. THAT is what you can look forward to when you get married, Fellas.

In closing, this video is very, very instructive. It's instructive on women's charms, and how they're an illusion. It shows us what the little lady will morph into; we see both near and long term what she'll become. We see that we can override our instincts, and do what's best for OURSELVES. Finally, we see the truth that we all know: to wit, marriage sucks! I didn't have to tell my boys that though, huh? Have a good night now, and I'll catch you on the flip side...

MarkyMark

The Sixteen Commandments of Poon, by Roissy in DC

Guys,

A classic, must read piece for men is Roissy's Sixteen Commandments of Poon.  While I'm not a big fan of Roissy's, he offers some valuable insights into the female psyche, insights that no one else is offering-especially in the lamestream media!  This is information that every man should have; this is information that SHOULD be disseminated in the MSM.  Unfortunately, it's not featured in the MSM, because they're too busy pushing their PC garbage.

Roissy shows us how women REALLY think and act when they're totally unrestrained as they are today.  This classic post of his is MUST READ MATERIAL for men trying to navigate today's dating and relationship jungle.  Guys, did you ever wonder if it was you?  Well, it's not.  This post belongs in the MGTOW Survival Guide.  Here's Roissy's Sixteen Commandments of Poon, a classic for MGTOW if there ever was one...

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I. Never say ‘I Love You’ first

Women want to feel like they have to overcome obstacles to win a man’s heart. They crave the challenge of capturing the interest of a man who has other women competing for his attention, and eventually prevailing over his grudging reluctance to award his committed exclusivity. The man who gives his emotional world away too easily robs women of the satisfaction of earning his love. Though you may be in love with her, don’t say it before she has said it. Show compassionate restraint for her need to struggle toward yin fulfillment. Inspire her to take the leap for you, and she’ll return the favor a thousandfold.

II. Make her jealous

Flirt with other women in front of her. Do not dissuade other women from flirting with you. Women will never admit this but jealousy excites them. The thought of you turning on another woman will arouse her sexually. No girl wants a man that no other woman wants. The partner who harnesses the gale storm of jealousy controls the direction of the relationship.

III. You shall make your mission, not your woman, your priority

Forget all those romantic cliches of the leading man proclaiming his undying love for the woman who completes him. Despite whatever protestations to the contrary, women do not want to be “The One” or the center of a man’s existence. They in fact want to subordinate themselves to a worthy man’s life purpose, to help him achieve that purpose with their feminine support, and to follow the path he lays out. You must respect a woman’s integrity and not lie to her that she is “your everything”. She is not your everything, and if she is, she will soon not be anymore.

IV. Don’t play by her rules

If you allow a woman to make the rules she will resent you with a seething contempt even a rapist cannot inspire. The strongest woman and the most strident feminist wants to be led by, and to submit to, a more powerful man. Polarity is the core of a healthy loving relationship. She does not want the prerogative to walk all over you with her capricious demands and mercurial moods. Her emotions are a hurricane, her soul a saboteur. Think of yourself as a bulwark against her tempest. When she grasps for a pillar to steady herself against the whipping winds or yearns for an authority figure to foil her worst instincts, it is you who has to be there… strong, solid, unshakeable and immovable.

V. Adhere to the golden ratio

Give your woman 2/3 of everything she gives you. For every three calls or texts, give her two back. Three declarations of love earn two in return. Three gifts; two nights out. Give her two displays of affection and stop until she has answered with three more. When she speaks, you reply with fewer words. When she emotes, you emote less. The idea behind the golden ratio is twofold — it establishes your greater value by making her chase you, and it demonstrates that you have the self-restraint to avoid getting swept up in her personal dramas. Refraining from reciprocating everything she does for you in equal measure instills in her the proper attitude of belief in your higher status. In her deepest loins it is what she truly wants.

VI. Keep her guessing

True to their inscrutable natures, women ask questions they don’t really want direct answers to. Woe be the man who plays it straight — his fate is the suffering of the beta. Evade, tease, obfuscate. She thrives when she has to imagine what you’re thinking about her, and withers when she knows exactly how you feel. A woman may want financial and family security, but she does not want passion security. In the same manner, when she has displeased you, punish swiftly, but when she has done you right, reward slowly. Reward her good behavior intermittently and unpredictably and she will never tire of working hard to please you.

VII. Always keep two in the kitty

Never allow yourself to be a “kept man”. A man with options is a man without need. It builds confidence and encourages boldness with women if there is another woman, a safety net, to catch you in case you slip and risk a breakup, divorce, or a lost prospect, leading to loneliness and a grinding dry spell. A woman knows once she has slept with a man she has abdicated a measure of her power; when she has fallen in love with him she has surrendered nearly all of it. But love is ephemeral and with time she may rediscover her power and threaten to leave you. It is her final trump card. Withdrawing all her love and all her body in an instant will rend your soul if you are faced with contemplating the empty abyss alone. Knowing there is another you can turn to for affection will fortify your will and satisfy your manhood.

VIII. Say you’re sorry only when absolutely necessary

Do not say you’re sorry for every wrong thing you do. It is a posture of submission that no man should reflexively adopt, no matter how alpha he is. Apologizing increases the demand for more apologies. She will come to expect your contrition, like a cat expects its meal at a set time each day. And then your value will lower in her eyes. Instead, if you have done something wrong, you should acknowledge your guilt in a glancing way without resorting to the actual words “I’m sorry.” Pull the Bill Clinton maneuver and say “Mistakes were made” or tell her you “feel bad” about what you did. You are granted two freebie “I’m sorry”s for the life of your relationship; use them wisely.

IX. Connect with her emotions

Set yourself apart from other men and connect with a woman’s emotional landscape. Her mind is an alien world that requires deft navigation to reach your rendevous. Frolic in the surf of emotions rather than the arid desert of logic. Be playful. Employ all your senses. Describe in lush detail scenarios to set her heart afire. Give your feelings freedom to roam. ROAM. Yes, that is a good word. You’re not on a linear path with her. You are ROAMING all over, taking her on an adventure. In this world, there is no need to finish thoughts or draw conclusions. There is only need to EXPERIENCE. You’re grabbing her hand and running with her down an infinite, labyrinthine alleyway with no end, laughing and letting your fingers glide on the cobblestone walls along the way.

X. Ignore her beauty

The man who trains his mind to subdue the reward centers of his brain when reflecting upon a beautiful female face will magically transform his interactions with women. His apprehension and self-consciousness will melt away, paving the path for more honest and self-possessed interactions with the objects of his desire. This is one reason why the greatest lotharios drown in more love than they can handle — through positive experiences with so many beautiful women they lose their awe of beauty and, in turn, their powerlessness under its spell. It will help you acquire the right frame of mind to stop using the words hot, cute, gorgeous, or beautiful to describe girls who turn you on. Instead, say to yourself “she’s interesting” or “she might be worth getting to know”. Never compliment a girl on her looks, especially not a girl you aren’t fucking. Turn off that part of your brain that wants to put them on pedestals. Further advanced training to reach this state of unawed Zen transcendence is to sleep with many MANY attractive women (try to avoid sleeping with a lot of ugly women if you don’t want to regress). Soon, a Jedi lover you will be.

XI. Be irrationally self-confident

No matter what your station in life, stride through the world without apology or excuse. It does not matter if objectively you are not the best man a woman can get; what matters is that you think and act like you are. Women have a dog’s instinct for uncovering weakness in men; don’t make it easy for them. Self-confidence, warranted or not, triggers submissive emotional responses in women. Irrational self-confidence will get you more pussy than rational defeatism.

XII. Maximize your strengths, minimize your weaknesses

In the betterment of ourselves as men we attract women into our orbit. To accomplish this gravitational pull as painlessly and efficiently as possible, you must identify your natural talents and shortcomings and parcel your efforts accordingly. If you are a gifted jokester, don’t waste time and energy trying to raise your status in philosophical debate. If you write well but dance poorly, don’t kill yourself trying to expand your manly influence on the dancefloor. Your goal should be to attract women effortlessly, so play to your strengths no matter what they are; there is a groupie for every male endeavor. Except World of Warcraft.

XIII. Err on the side of too much boldness, rather than too little

Touching a woman inappropriately on the first date will get you further with her than not touching her at all. Don’t let a woman’s faux indignation at your boldness sway you; they secretly love it when a man aggressively pursues what he wants and makes his sexual intentions known. You don’t have to be an asshole, but if you have no choice, being an inconsiderate asshole beats being a polite beta, every time.

XIV. Fuck her good

Fuck her like it’s your last fuck. And hers. Fuck her so good, so hard, so wantonly, so profligately that she is left a quivering, sparking mass of shaking flesh and sex fluids. Drain her of everything, then drain her some more. Kiss her all over, make love to her all night, and hold her close in the morning. Own her body, own her gratitude, own her love. If you don’t know how, learn to give her squirting orgasms.

XV. Maintain your state control

You are an oak tree. You will not be manipulated by crying, yelling, lying, head games, sexual withdrawal, jealousy ploys, pity plays, shit tests, hot/cold/hot/cold, disappearing acts, or guilt trips. She will rain and thunder all around you and you will shelter her until her storm passes. She will not drag you into her chaos or uproot you. When you have mastery over yourself, you will have mastery over her.

XVI. Never be afraid to lose her

You must not fear. Fear is the love-killer. Fear is the ego-triumph that brings abject loneliness. You will face your fear. You will permit it to pass over and through you. And when your ego-fear is gone you will turn and face your lover, and only your heart will remain. You will walk away from her when she has violated your integrity, and you will let her walk when her heart is closed to you. She who can destroy you, controls you. Don’t give her that power over yourself. Love yourself before you love her.

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The closer you follow the letter of these commandments, the easier you will find and keep real, true unconditional love and happiness in your life.

Best,

Roissy, Your Lord and King

Avoiding False Rape Charges

Guys,

Over at False Rape Society, the guys did an EXCELLENT post on avoiding false rape charges.  I'm rerunning it here, because this is a MUST READ for MGTOW everywhere.  This is an essential part of a MGHOW's survival in an increasingly hostile world.


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How to Avoid a False Rape Charge

False rape claims are a reality, and sometimes there is nothing an innocent man or boy can do to prevent one from being lodged against him.  Sometimes he is just in the wrong place at the wrong time.  But a significant number of false rape claims can be avoided by exercising caution and avoiding situations where they are more likely to occur.  Unlike rape, where political correctness gone mad tells us we should not put any burden on our daughters to avoid situations where rape is more likely to occur (that is called "victim blaming"), it would be unfortunate if we similarly hesitated to urge our sons to minimize the risk of false rape claims as a matter of principle.  The long-term damage from a false rape claim is potentially so enormous that every reasonable effort should be taken to avoid it.  Make no mistake, the onus for a false rape claim is on the false accuser, just as the onus for rape is on the rapist.  But urging our young people to put themselves in harm's way just to make a politcal point is something no sane parent should ever do. It is no different from a parent telling a teenage son to avoid a bad neighborhood after dark.

Having closely studied false rape claims for a considerable period of time, I have compiled a short list of certain situations where false rape claims are more likely to occur, in no particular order of prevalence: 

▲Casual hook-ups or one night stands involving alcohol.  Asking the police or a jury to sort out what happened afterwards based on a "he said/she said" account puts a tremendous burden on our law enforcement and judicial apparatuses.  But make no mistake: such situations are a recipe for disaster.  Young men looking to "score" in that situation need to understand that women experience much greater after-the-fact regret than men do.  Sometimes feelings of regret are translated into feelings of "being used," and sometimes feelings of "being used" are misinterpreted as "rape."  Unfortunately, it is the politically correct thing to urge young women to party like the guys -- without bothering to tell them about the regret asymmetry that separates the genders.

▲Situations where the woman has motivation to deny sex with you was consensual.  It is difficult to overestimate this one. In Prof. Kanin's first landmark false rape study, he found that the motive to cover up a sudden illicit encounter was the primary motivation for false rape claims.  Situations to avoid: if the woman has a husband or a boyfriend, even if you think they are estranged; if the woman doesn't want her parents to know she is serious about you -- perhaps because she is too young or you are not "acceptable" to them; or if the woman is embarrassed to let her friends know she is serious about you.  In each of these situations, if the woman doesn't want someone important to her to know she had sex with you, you are at risk of a false rape claim.

▲Group sex where there was one woman and multiple guys.  This one is closely related to the previous point.  First, we would be dishonest if we failed to acknowledge that gang rape is a reality.  But, second, there's another reality that many people, especially many older people, do not care to admit occurs: our "hook-up" culture has spawned a trend where young women engage in consensual group sex activities with young men.  Where there is just one young woman and multiple guys, this is a recipe for a false rape claim.  Most sane young women will regret that encounter after-the-fact and will worry that at least one of the young men will "brag" about it, destroying what's left of her reputation. The fear of "slut shaming," as the feminists call it, seems to spawn off-the-charts regret, and that is a false rape claim waiting to happen.

▲Liars lose.  If a woman claims you raped her, you are more likely to be charged if the police find you lied to the woman or to the police about even a matter that isn't crucial.

▲Being a school teacher, a police officer, an ambulance paramedic, or a cab driver.  It would be a terrible thing if men stayed away from law enforcement or from being cab drivers the way men avoid the teaching profession due to fears about false rape claims. The reality is that men in any of these professions need to be especially vigilant. Police officers are at risk because some women charged with crimes lie about rape out of revenge or to claim that the charges were trumped up.  Ambulance paramedics and cab drivers are sometimes targeted by delusional women or women looking for an excuse for some indiscretion.

▲Nasty break-ups.  This one could be the most common situation for false rape claims.  Divorce and custody disputes spawn false rape claims in order for the woman to gain the upper hand in the dispute.  Spurned ex-lovers sometimes use false rape claims as a tool of revenge. 

▲Older male, much younger female.  A false rape claim is less plausible when it involves peers around the same age because the likelihood of a consensual relationship is greater.  When a girl accuses a middle-aged man of rape, there is no possibility of legal consent, and actual consent is unlikely. Moreover, the allegation is generally viewed as so terribly loathsome that the mantra "guilty until proven innocent" is truly a reality for this one.

▲Teen boy, older woman.  Sometimes women who statutorily rape teen boys will twice victimize them by falsely accusing them of rape.  Such tactic has facial plausibility, given the male-as-predator stereotype, not to mention the relative naivette and exploding hormones of teen boys.  It is especially disturbing that a woman would, as the cliche goes, throw her callow lover under the bus in order to save herself.

And I most certainly missed some -- please let me know if you can think of any others, and we'll add them to the list.

Rough Guide to Single Moms, by Zenking

Guys,

Here's the inaugural post of the MGTOW Survival Guide! I'm kicking this off with The Rough Guide to Single Moms by Zenking...

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I thought I would set down a “rough guide” for men thinking about starting a relationship with a single mom and what some of the ramifications are of dating and entering into a deeper relationship with a single mom could be. Of course this guide does not apply to all women or all men but it will list the main problems I have observed through over the years.

Contrary to popular media-myth I have yet to meet a single mom who was career driven, carefree, balanced, happy; doing it all type gal as often portrayed in most media outlets. The reality I have seen over the years is usually a stressed out, overworked, debt stricken woman who really had no idea children cost so much in time, effort and money. Their careers are on hold as they need to balance their child with sickness, school activities etc… versus moving up whatever career ladder they are on. Most single moms are raising their children with help of an extended family member (usually their mom), a bevy of friends and other single moms they find in support groups. It is usually not a pretty picture at all.

Somewhere along the way, usually quite quickly they come up with the idea that they need a “partner” to help them in their new enterprise of having a child and the sooner they can get one the better. Realizing they have a bit of a disadvantage with having a child and being in the dating scene they resort to several well known strategies to get a partner.

One of the first strategies is to engage men who do not have children of their own. This allows the woman to portray the semblance of having and raising a kid is easy and there will always be a balance between their relationship with their partner and their child. Sometimes they will portray themselves as helpless victims, victimized by an evil and absent father – they need saving and you can save them. Another popular scheme is to make themselves look accomplished and together by extending their debt to ridiculous levels to portray they are all right and don’t really need a partner. There are quite a few more, but like I said, this is a rough guide.

One of the strategies is to involve the child with the prospective “partner” almost right away and foster a relationship between the man and her child. This allows a lot of leverage on several levels as time goes by. It allows for huge amount of guilt and shame if the man wants to break off the relationship, allows a bonding to take place that is hard to shuck off and other factors… You will hear phrases such as “any man who loves me must love my children!” etc…All designed to appeal to a mans sense of chivalry and protection. This hopefully facilitates a sense of belonging together and in the end marriage.

Most single men are unaware of what is going on when they start to date a single mom. It seems that the child is around, but it is pleasant, there is a clear distinction between adult and child time etc… it seems actually for most men, not a bad time at all. This allows the single mom to get the man closer and farther into the relationship.  What is really going on is a shit-load of help from the single moms friends and other helpers. Tons of babysitting services, tips on dating, comparing notes and plans etc… No matter what you see as a man there is something else going on – do not forget that. Her plan is to eventually get a partner one way or another. You are the prize and she is going to earn it.

One trait that seems to come to the forefront with most men who are dating single moms is just how wonderful a woman they really are. Most men cannot for the life of them figure out why another man would abandon a woman like her. It has been stated hat single moms are more caring, compassionate, great lovers, excellent cooks, laugh at all your jokes etc…they seem to be ideal mates.

What is actually going on is well planned and orchestrated strategies to get a man into a relationship. I don’t know how many men have loudly complained that after marriage they were suddenly now doing most of the cooking, cleaning, and repairing around the house with zero time like they had before. I don’t know how many have said it was like night and day after they moved in. The kind compassionate woman the men met had some how now been replaced by a truly different woman, it was like another personality type than the one they married. In short a single mom knows she has to work harder to get a man and she will work harder, but for many the act cannot last that long and the real woman reveals herself. Usually his occurs just after marriage.

A lot of men though go for it and involve themselves in marriage with a single mom and do not really know some of the problems they will encounter. Here is a short list of several common problems that begin to creep up:

1. Being a “partner” means you get to pay for half- if not more. I have noticed after marriage a single mom works at dizzying speed to make sure her mans name is on all of the bills. She also will usually demand money also for a huge amount of her child’s expenses. It is also expressed as a part of “loving her and showing it”. I have seen men putting money away for college for a kid that’s not his. Buying ridiculous amounts of brand name clothes, expensive homes etc… all in an effort to be in a so-called “family”.

2. The Family you just got into is by invitation only. In most traditional marriages that produce children, the man, woman and child or children make up he basic family unit. In being a step- parent you are not the basic unit. The mother and child together are the basic unit. You are invited in and can be un-invited whenever mom feels it to be so. No matter what is said or mentioned before marriage, you will never come before her child. You will always be in a family and relationship where you come second, maybe third.

3. No matter what you think… her ex is going to be there forever. In just about every case the child’s father does not seem to be in the picture during the dating and courtship stage but seems to suddenly show up after. The reality is he was always there, your partner just never mentioned it…. The father will most naturally want to have a relationship with his child and he is going to be quite involved most of the time. Just about every time you will be dragged into the endless bickering and fights they have and you will not be liked by him…its only natural remember… also be sure to take into account the grandparents, uncles and aunts and all the family functions you will be attending with him, his child, his ex (your partner) and his side of the family. Get used to being uncomfortable.

4. Her kid will most likely not like you very much. Let’s face it you’re sleeping with their mom and most of the time the child will see you as a roadblock to his parents getting back together. Most likely the mom has made you the giver of discipline in the relationship, being the man and all…which results in the kid hating you. Or after watching the child run amok for weeks after you arrive you change juniors’ schedule to include some discipline and then you also hated even more. An amazing amount of men involved with single mothers report how the child hates them, but he can keep buying gifts to try to win their affection. Some call it the ATM effect of diminishing returns.

5. All that time you had together with your new love will end after marriage. The number one job of a single mom is simply to be a mom. She is not a party girl, hiker, camper, biker, clubber etc… Just be prepared for a frontal assault on your time and money after marriage. You will find your weekdays taken up with homework, PTA meetings, suppers at home, and early bed times. Weekends will be the time for the child’s extra-curricular activities and other activities. If a single man is wondering what happens ask any father of children how their time is spent, it will not be on hobbies. You will hear endlessly the phrase “we are a family now and this is what a family does” of course your idea on family will differ…but it is her family and she will make the choices.

6. You will wonder what happened to all your money. Most men involved with a single mom report that their money seems to dry up. Children are expensive- expensive like most men have no idea. Between school supplies, clothing, vast amounts of food, babysitters if you ever want to go out, medications, fees, sports, supplies, toys and such… well, there will be little left.

As a footnote there is also another ploy by some single moms that men also forget about. The child’s father is paying for a lot of these things. Quite a few men have reported that their wife or girlfriend was getting them to pay for such things as sport fees, equipment, university funds, school supplies and such but at the same time getting the child’s father to pay for these things also. Double billing, also called fraud, is quite common but it does allow the single mom to have almost zero expenses for her child as two men are now paying for junior….

Another ploy that is quite horrific was a man whose wife owned a home and he moved in with her and her child. Although he fixed it up, paid half the mortgage and expenses- she had willed the home to her children. When confronted she said since she would be dead she did not care if he had a home or not, her child came first. So be careful with matters of money. Very careful.

7. You will never really be accepted. I have observed time and time again the heartbreak of a step parent as the child gets older. After putting them through school, providing a place to live, food, getting the child all kinds of gifts and honestly really caring about the child and such I keep hearing this one story over and over. The time comes for a grad or a wedding, the step parent thinks he might be lauded for his sacrifices but instead is shunted to a back seat or not invited as the child invites mom and dad to the party…and thanks them for all their love and work. Usually there is not even an acknowledgement of effort.

8. You will now be part of the single moms’ network. Be prepared to help out all her buddies as they helped her out. Endless weekends and nights of babysitting the other single moms kids so that they too may date and get a man. You will also discover why 75% of all people in jail come from single mother households. Try not to have any expensive items around…

9. Now that the single mom is now married she will need to impress her single mom friends with her new found happiness. Her happiness will usually include a new home in a good neighbourhood, new clothing, new items for the home, new car etc… there is an unwritten law it seems among a lot of single moms that they compete ruthlessly with their friends. If she does get married she needs to show them her new found prestige. Be prepared for huge new expenses.

10. You will have no time for errors. A lot of single men get involved with the single mom and her kids when the child is a bit older. Being inexperienced with children becomes a huge burden as the single man has no time to learn parenting skills…and mistakes are not readily forgiven nor forgotten when a kid is 4 compared to 14.

11. You may think it ends, but it never does. I know many men whose single mom wife promised them a completely different life after junior turned 18 or so. At the beginning of the relationship it looked like just a few years and then total privacy and freedom. Then years later they found out that junior is going to go to university for 6 years after taking a gap year off and not worry about a job as he will live at home. After that the story usually is that the child gets married and has kids and needs a ton of babysitting services. The dream of trips abroad, moving to a nicer place etc… evaporates for most men. They just wind up being early grandparents. The other option that happens a lot is the girls have children early and stay at home. Not only is the man taking care of his wife’s child he also has to care for her grandchild now!

12. You will have nothing to show for it. In the end when most men have their own children the work and effort is well worth it. The men did their best and raised a family, continued a line, get grandchildren…etc… As a step-parent you have contributed as much but you have nothing. Nobody carries on your name and most men realize they are not even ever thanked for their sacrifice.

13. The legalities can kill you. There have been numerous cases where a man has divorced or left a single mom and then found himself liable financially for her child. Although not the father he will be responsible for child payments, extra fees and most certainly university far after they are 18….check the laws out, it’s a raw deal. Couple that with some alimony and you get the whole effect of being a divorced and homeless dad with not one child of your own….

In the end women have asked for their freedom to make their own choices now for decades. I would advise all single men to let single moms make their choice of having a child by themselves and then live with it. Don’t involve yourself with these women under any circumstances. It can be in many ways, the death of a man.

Well it’s a rough guide and you were warned…

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Look for more soon!